Another Tidbit On The “no EOS 7D Mark II” Rumor (APS-C flagship set to come)

EOS 7D Mark II

Fake EOS 7D Mark II (mock-up)

On Saturday I posted a rather weird rumor saying that Canon will not release a replacement for the Canon EOS 7D, that’s the long rumored EOS 7D Mark II (all 7D2 rumors here). The rumor goes against all previously reported 7D2 rumors. It definitely came as a surprise for us all.

During the weekend I have been contacted again by the source that told me the rumor. The source confirmed that there is no Canon EOS 7D Mark II on the horizon, but also stated that this does not mean Canon isn’t actively working on a new APS-C flagship. According to the source there will be an APS-C DSLR positioned above the EOS 70D (feature-wise) but it will not be a “7D” model. That’s to say that Canon’s next APS-C flagship will have (could have) a new naming scheme. That fits in the second part of last week’s rumor, the part saying that Canon is working on a revamping of their DSLR line-up, the source stated it is “the biggest change in Canon’s history“. The source also said that the release of the EOS 70D allows Canon to work on the next APS-C flagship without pressure (they do not feel they have to release it as soon as possible), and that they still have to see how well the Dual Pixel AF technology will do.

Whatever this means, I am starting to believe that there is a concrete chance we will never see a DSLR named “EOS 7D Mark II”. So now I am wondering a) what name the new APS-C flagship will have and b) what features this DSLR will have to stand out compared to the EOS 70D. The source stated that the 7D2 feature set I posted in the past is “close to what we will see”, but couldn’t tell any new feature and confirmed that the sensor should have 24MP and feature Canon’s Dual Pixel AF technology. To remember, the feature set I posted back in October was:

  • ~20MP or ~24MP sensor with Dual Pixel CMOS AF
  • Auto-Focus system similar to the EOS 5D Mark III (61 points), possibly the same as 5D3
  • High frame rate, 10-12 fps
  • “high grade” weather sealing, like Canon’s professional DSLRs
  • Dual Digic V+ processor
  • Single card slot
  • WiFi & GPS
  • Innovative video features
  • Price around $2000
  • Very good ISO performance

I am wondering what the “innovative video features” will be. I mean, we know that Canon is strongly committed to the EOS Cinema line and it would be more than natural if they extend this commitment also to the APS-C line-up. But will that be enough to sit above the 70D? I guess there must be more, as the list above suggests. An APS-C DSLR with the AF of the [shoplink 2431]5D Mark III[/shoplink], with at least 10fps, dual card slots (not listed above), a high level weather sealing, and with amenities as WiFi and GPS would for sure make sense and be on the wish-list of many professional photographer that for a reason or another prefer or have to use APS-C sensors (sport, wildlife).

So, what is backing up the possibility that there will not be an EOS 7D Mark II? First of all, as many readers pointed out in the comment section of the previous post, the successor of the EOS 7D appears to be delayed since too long. Then there is this “innovative video features” thing. If Canon is planing a sort of cropped EOS -1D C, then it would make sense to change the naming scheme. This would also fit into the suggested revamping of the DSLR line-up.

Any ideas…?

  • Meatcurry

    How about an EOS 7M ie a mirrorless SLR(SLM?) without a mirror could you make the lens mount adjustable to allow EF image circle to show correct focal length on APS-C sensor?

    Anyway, without a pentaprism you could have a larger more effective popup flash?

    • Sky

      God forbid. That would be stupid, pointless move.

      • Meatcurry

        Stupid AND pointless?, I think users of the Sony a7 would disagree.

        • Sky

          And the users of 5D would. (?)
          Last thing Canon needs is yet another bayonet.
          They have EOS-M bayonet and next to no lenses for it.
          They plan to introduce Medium Format system – needing lenses development.
          So you seriously think that new Full Frame bayonet would be beneficial? I don’t. It’s just spreading resources too thin.

          • Meatcurry

            I concur we don’t need another bayonet, I wasn’t advocating a NEW one, just one that without the mirror MAY be able to allow movement in the Z plane to allow EF lens to project an image circle onto the APS-C sensor at the correct focal length. It may not even be possible!

          • Adam Knapp

            You need glass to do that properly. Luckily, someone makes a device that not only shrinks the effective image circle down, but in doing so also lowers the f-number! Some people were getting somewhere in the f0.75 range by using the old Canon 50mm f1.0 if I remember correctly.

  • Bob Howland

    That’s my guess as well. Also, when Canon says that the M system will emphasize compactness, that could imply because Canon will begin replacing many/most/all of their FF DSLRs with FF mirrorless cameras based on the current EF mount with a shortened flange distance. That might qualify as “the biggest change in Canon’s history” although replacing the FD mount with an EF mount in 1987 strikes me as at least as big.

    • One More Thought

      yeah..when someone says that Canon is planning on their biggest change in their history, that is a very loaded phrase with a huge implication. If that rumor is true then we are talking a radical change. We are talking about something along the lines of going totally mirrorless, a radical sensor technology, etc.

      Also, as you mention, Canon’s change in lens mount in 1987 was pretty radical and it will take a lot to top that.

      So the only question is whether the source is accurate, or perhaps there will be some changes, but the soure is being overly hyperbolic in their choice of words.

      • Sky

        I think that some people should stop thinking about mirrorless as the only way to revolutionize a camera. Removing features is not a step forward.

        • Meatcurry

          No-one saying removing the mirror is revolutionising anything, but it would be a big change for Canon, if the 7D2 is mirrorless then I expect to see other innovations on board and I will most likely be a future customer, as long as I can use my EF-S/EF lens.

          • Sky

            There are many ways Canon can revolutionize – throwing out optical viewfinder should be the LAST one of them – that’s the least necessary thing for Canon. They got one of the best if not The Best viewfinders on a market – getting rid of that huge advantage would be IMHO ridiculous.

          • Meatcurry

            Surely, its only a matter of time before EVFs are as good as the best OVF? It WILL happen sooner or later

        • peevee

          EVFs are already bigger and better than ANY APS-C OVFs.

  • steve Griffin

    Canon is as canon does,……….. what ever they think fit to make profit. The basis above sounds very plauseable but they need to let the cat out of the bag sooner rather than later to stop people migrating to other makes or systems. To call the camera a 7D was always out of kinter to me as single digit cameras always have been FF and pro, dual digit is enthusiasts camera, and three digit entry level. What ever it’s called it will need to be very good because I’m guessing that Nikon’s similar rendition will probably a class leader. With such cameras as The Oly EM-1, Panasonic GH3, Fuji X and the Sony A7 have made ripples in the market, Canon need to ascert their technological prowess once and for all because the M4/3 and X systems are looking more attractive all the time, and I cannot be the only one. All the rumours point to 2014 being a year that Canon release some good stuff, I sincerely hope so.

  • Hausen

    Trying to work out what in that spec would constitute the phrase “biggest change in Canons history”. Looks like more of the same to me. Bit better AF, bit faster, bit more resolution, a few more features. Sadly, the price will no doubt be at least a bit higher.

  • Sky

    Even higher spec than 7D?
    Brilliant 🙂 Can’t wait to see what they’re working on!

  • Mistral75

    Super35 4K video from pixel binning.

  • peevee

    The only required change in the Canon naming is creating global brand out of stupid Rebels/Kisses. European 700D etc fits nicely into the overall scheme which has worked for Canon.