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Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R DxOMarked (best Canon sensor so far, still lags behind Sony)

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DxOMark tested the Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R. They write:

Boasting an unprecedented 50.6Mp resolution, the EOS 5DS and 5DS R offer a unique DSLR shooting solution. What’s more, our industry standard tests have shown these are the best sensor results yet for a Canon chip, with the 5DS cameras offering a small step up for image quality against other full-frame semi-pro models such as the EOS 6D and EOS 5D Mark III. Our measurements show that there’s very little difference between the 5DS and 5DS R sensors, but we’ve seen both models post better scores in print results compared to those on screen.

However, as you can see in the image above, the EOS 5Ds sensor scores lower than the sensors in the Nikon D810 and Sony A7R (first platoon of Sony trolls is ready and can’t wait to spam the comment section). At least the EOS 5Ds doesn’t look so terribly ugly like the Sony A7R. Does Sony not have a design department?

Canon EOS 5DS: Amazon | B&H Photo | Digitalrev | eBay | Adorama | Canon USA | Canon EOS 5DS R: Amazon | B&H Photo | Digitalrev | eBay | Adorama | Canon USA

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[via DxOMark]
  • Yawn

    I have never found those “scientific tests” to match my visual experience. They are just another marketing scam, and their software is pretty poor, too.

    • Esstee

      I’ve found DxO Mark to be quite accurate insofar as real world substantiations go.

      • Nope

        Thank you for sharing your findings. I suppose I cannot expect a lot from someone writing “real world substantiations” instead of “results”.

        • Esstee

          sub·stan·ti·ate (səb-stăn′shē-āt′)

          tr.v. sub·stan·ti·at·ed, sub·stan·ti·at·ing, sub·stan·ti·ates
          1. To prove the truth of or support with proof or evidence: substantiate an accusation. See Synonyms at confirm.
          2. To give substance to; make real or actual.

          • Nope

            So, where is that proof then? My own experience says the opposite, but who am I to contradict an anonymous internet nincompoop?

          • Esstee

            nincompoop =:)

          • Nope

            Well it’s a funny word.
            By the way, we are still waiting for your severely underexposed pics, which definitely require a little more shadow recovery, which can only be obtained at low iso and not in burst mode, and then will look like a million bucks.

        • HF
          • Nope

            That may be interesting to you… Do you really use that sort of advice to spend your hard-earned bucks? I hope not.

          • Guest

            Oh come now, that is not arrogant. Arrogant are those paid trolls who try to sell junk for gold.

          • HF

            For me it sounds very much like that (“I cannot expect a lot from someone writing…”), he could easily express it differently.

  • Marius

    the sony sensors are maybe a bit better.
    still canon makes the best cameras.
    and when i look at the images from sony users… 90% could be done with a 5 year old rebel.
    technology is way ahead of user skills these days.
    don´t worry about technology.. worry about your own skills (5D Mk2 user here).

  • Masuche

    well about the sony fanboys.
    the sony rumor admin is filtering PRO canon comments for a while.. so i would just remove comments from sony fanboys here.

    over at sony rumors it´s a pure bashing of canon and the admin is fueling it.

    • Dave

      This is true, this sonyalpharumors admin holds critical comments back until the rush is over and opinion is made… ha, ha, I found my critics next day somewhere down where nobody reads it. Hope Canonwatch does not do that vice versa….. !!

      Truth is, DxO says, Sony sensors are better: better means 1.5stops of DR at ISO100 and 1 stop at ISO200 and equal from ISO400. That is technically better but I do not see that difference in real world. The point is, that Canon shadow recovery needs another workflow than Nikon/Sony shadow recovery. Canon still has the best cameras overall, IMHO.

      • canonwatch

        no, will not do vice versa :)

  • Caerolle

    You seriously feel that dSLRs are attractive? Wow…

  • dean johnson

    Who mocks the way a competitor’s camera looks to make up for where their company’s camera falls short…..performance…technology. Where it actually counts. I am the owner of a 1Dx and if Canon doesnt get their stuff together I wont be the owner of a 1Dx II I’ll be the owner of an A7S II to go along with an A7r II. In a competitive world good enough will only do until the customer sees something better and better is here and its work will be seen. If canon loses this round to Sony and Nikon they will have a very real problem if they cant measure up with the generation of cameras that follows the 5D IV and 1Dx II. They cant just sit on their hands and rely on the loyalty of fools forever. The truth is the 5Ds is 2 years too late.

    • Yawn

      So u shoot a 1DX huh? Yawn.

      • Nope

        He could not afford it, not with that meagre troll salary.

    • Wade Marks

      If you own a 1dx then you should know that a 1dx is far above just “good enough.”

      And there is no way the A7RII or any A7SII can compete with a 1dx in terms of speed, AF, battery life, etc. And if you use your 1dx with long telephoto lenses as many do then the Sony will be an even worse choice.

      • BrianSmiths

        Remind me what is the life fo shutter actuations on 1dx? Is it anywhere close to Sony’s A7RII 500,000? You’ll have to replace your shutter in your 1dx 3 times and to match that life of Sony’s. What is the area of AF on your outdated 1dx? Is it anywhere close to Sony’s 399 PDAF points across majority of sensor? Does it has IBIS? Does it has comparable ISO, DR, resolution? Maybe largets in the world 0.78x EVF Zeiss coated? No. The only thing it has better is battery life and AF speed.

        • Nope

          I think it does 400000 shots. A new shutter will set you back about 200 BUX. What about your other marketing points? Are they any useful in actual photography? Are you a photographer at all?

          • BrianSmiths

            What do you think is IS useful for handheld photography at 1/8sec? Is 15 stops of DR useful in everyday photography? Or you want me to list situations where this may come handy? AF points across frame are marketing point? Have you actually shot anything that moves? Or you shoot everything wit hfocus and recompose? Or maybe big and large EVF is suddenly not useful anymore? Or great ISO is a marketing point? Right. Ask me about am I photographer or not. Why bother addressing actual facts that I told you. Whatever,

          • Yawn

            You obviously never touched a real camera. You should not be allowed to post, you are a waste of space. Ah the internet, where “experts” are born every day.

        • Wade Marks

          First of all, Sony’s 500,000 shot shutter life and 399 PDAF points are just specs on paper at this point. And Sony is known for producing products that look good on paper but don’t measure up in real life. And the reliability of Sony products in general doesn’t tend to be that great, and of course they can claim 500,000 shots knowing that it will be years before people get to test that.

          I would easily bet that the 1DX will have far superior AF. And try using long telephoto lenses on that small Sony body; it will feel very unbalanced, and present problems of torque to the lens mount. And the Sony A7 series has already suffered from weak lens mounts.

          As for the “only thing it has better is battery life and AF speed”…well, those are 2 big real world considerations, esp. for the market of users for the 1DX.

          The 1DX is targeted for professionals in wildlife (think National Geo), BIF, sports(think Sports Illustrated, ESPN), journalism, etc…for these users battery life and AF speed can mean the difference between getting the crucial shot for their paid work or not.

          I guarantee you that the 1DX will hold up better in tough conditions over time than the toy like Sony A7 cameras. I also guarantee you that the pro’s using the 1DX will not switch to the toy like Sony’s. The only exceptions may be a few that Sony pays big money to switch.

          Going from a 1DX to a Sony would be like going from a Porsche to a Chevy, due to the Chevy having a few extra bells and whistles. The 1DX is a polished, mature professional grade tool; the Sony is a toy like gadget. Nothing wrong with releasing toy like gadgets; there is a market for those. But don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s anywhere near a replacement for the 1DX.

          • LittleCam

            I would say, a 1DX is a Hummer, A7Rii is a Porsche.
            If your job is mainly offroad, go for the Hummer, for the other 90% of use-cases the Porsche-toy will outclass the heavy metal dinosaur.

          • Wade Marks

            Touche on the vehicle analogies :)

            However, I wouldn’t say that Sony has proven to be worthy yet of any comparison to a Porsche. To me they are like a Chevy with a big engine and alot of horsepower (the great sensor). The rest is more like a Chevy with a lot of bells and whistles. Their build quality, UI, etc…for me at least is not at all impressive. So far none of their A7 cameras is really that quick or responsive…maybe this new one will be, but that remains to be seen.

            And Sony support or lack thereof…I have seen no evidence that Sony is anywhere near Canon, much less Porsche, in their customer support.

            There are 2 factors that most gear review sites don’t touch on: customer support or long term durability. Because most gear sites just get a copy to review, use it for a short period of time to create the review, and then move onto the next camera. Most gear review sites never have to consider these important real world measures.

  • Pancanikonpus

    gear up canon sensor! need you in sensor competition arena!

  • Moulyneau

    Wow, 87 and a “small step up vs 6D and 5DIII”. DXO really had to bite their tongue for saying so much good about a Canon camera. Meaning it must be very, very good indeed. Sure they tried one in the wild and could not decently trash it too much… They’re real fun! Meanwhile, the 5Dsr keeps being out-of-stock at most vendors.

  • BrianSmiths

    “First platoon of Sony trolls”? What a low remark by author. Unbelievable. The facts are there in reputable article and yet ….When this kind of BS is posted by admin/author whoever he is – what to expect from real trolls then? Live and learn. Now i know how bad it really is with Canon fanboys.

    • Nope

      Reputable? A junk software vendor?

      • BrianSmiths

        AFAIK Imagine resource and DxO Mark as well as DPR, or even Roger Cicala from lensrentals are much more reputable and I trust them much more than some Nope idiotic commenter who calls them a Junk. Pff.

        • Nope

          Quoting others and name calling won’t make you look smarter; indeed, quite the opposite.

          • Guest

            He is not reputable :)

  • Tom

    I shoot various Canon and Sony sensor cameras in FF and APS-C, including the 5D II, 5D II, A7, A7R, and Ricoh GR and the Canon output does not come close in terms of file flexibility. It not about Canon cameras just needing another workflow, but being nowhere near as flexible. This does not matter to everyone, but to dismiss the very real differences is to stick one’s head in the sand. I agree that Canon makes better bodies, in general, than anyone else, but with the D810 around the rough edges of the D800 are largely gone and Canon is still miles behind in sensor tech. There are fewer reasons to shoot Canon bodies than ever before, especially as Canon lenses are now performing remarkably well on the A7R II….

    • BrianSmiths

      Totally agree. Canon lost their grip years ago, since then only crappy camera bodies come out. EOS M1, M2, M3, G7x, 5DS, 5DSR – one crap after another. Time to pull the $hit together have gone long time. Too late now.

      • Moulyneau

        From your own words: “What a low remark by member. Unbelievable…..When this kind of BS is posted by author whoever he is – what to expect from real trolls then? Live
        and learn. Now i know how bad it really is with —— (add your brand here) fanboys”.

        • BrianSmiths

          I merely posted a small comment, I didn’t wrote a whole article that is posted as news/rumors. See the difference? Butthurt much Cannot fanboy?

    • Robert Martinu

      With the focussing screens not being interchangeable in recent models, LV and non-TTL strobes being quirky and about the slowest sync speed in class ther is a lot to adress in the non-sensor department as well.

      • Nope

        Now that is very true, and about the only plug I have on these new Canons. DR is for clueless kids, but this is absolutely true. Manual focus and hi flash sync speed are sorely lacking.

    • Nope

      Tom, your avatar makes you look ugly. It was obviously shot with a low dr sensor.

      • Tom

        Nope, your insult makes you look ugly. It was obviously issued by a low intellect mind.

        • Nope

          That was not an insult. Your avatar is though, with that low dr.

          • Tom

            You appear intellectually illiterate and do not appear to understand the meanings or consequences of words. My avatar is an insult to what or whom? Are you able to explain what you meant?

          • Nope

            Sorry I am not talking to people with poor dr.

          • Tom

            My children had more maturity by age seven….

          • Nope

            Ouh you bred… poor kids. Still, the problem stays, dxo and that dr scam are baits for sukkers. And the Sony chip advantage, beside being marginal, only kicks in at base ISO and outside burst mode. Sony, dxo etc are paper tigers. Photography is a different matter entirely.

  • Adam Brown

    The summary scores are exaggerated…
    But here is the reality:
    It’s an excellent Canon sensor. When scaled, it is a pretty even match with other similar cameras. But, for low ISO shooters, they will get a slightly noticeable edge in dynamic range with the Sony sensor.
    I don’t think the difference should be enough to get Canon shooters to head for the door.

    • Moulyneau

      Totally agree! … (edited): guess you’re The Adam Brown and if so I must say your photography is really inspirational. As such, pls tell them to cool down, talk less and start shooting…:)

      • Adam Brown

        ahhh… thanks… but I’m not *him*

    • BPlet

      No, most likely that alone won’t be enough to get Canon shooters heading for the door. But you must admit the slew of other advances, combined with the ability to use Canon or other 3rd party glass on a body that never needs microadjusting might. I didn’t head for the door when the D800 was shown to have a better sensor than my new 5D3, because I was happy with the images I was getting from the camera and I have 5 figures invested in Canon glass that couldn’t be used on Nikon. When the 5DS was announced, I immediately started setting money aside for it, but as of now that money will be used to add an A7Rii to my arsenal instead. And even then, I’m not “heading for the door”. I won’t be selling my 5D3 or any of my glass, because I may need the 5D3 for low light situations and I will be able to continue using my glass on the Sony. The whole concept of “switching systems” has now been turned on it’s head, and honestly, speaking as a LONG time “canon fanboy”, I finally feel the handcuffs loosening and Canon (who, IMHO makes some of the best glass on the planet) can’t keep me captive anymore while they cripple features to protect higher end cameras and eek out slight improvements rather than truly innovate. It’s a glorious time right now, IMHO

      • Adam Brown

        I agree with all that…. The A7rii becomes a competitive option for those who might be interested in the 5Ds.
        But it really still depends on their precise needs and priorities.
        Want great video, great live view, more compact size, along with a bit more dynamic range, the A7rii might be a great alternative.
        Need more reliable low light autofocus, better support system, native fast and long lenses, better flash system… all good reasons to stick with the Canon 5ds.

        And for many of us, myself included, neither camera is of much interest.

        IF.. a big IF.. the autofocus system on the A7rii is truly as “universal” as some people are claiming, you are right — the concept of switching systems will be completely changed.

  • Thinkinginpictures

    The answer here is quite simple. Own all of them.

  • Christian Wilde

    It’s funny that now it’s down to bashing Sony camera looks, by the site admin no less.

    To be honest I find the “classic” DSLR design to be ugly, but since it hasn’t changed for a very long time, maybe it’s Canon who is in need of a redesign…

  • Ken Hoffman

    Sensor + Canon saying “get another camera for Video” + other limitations it’s not just the sensor that is lagging.. Outside of hardcore action shooting.. there may well be a better place for your Canon lenses to shoot later this summer. And saying “AWE it doesn’t matter” won’t motivate them to give you the best in your native system. If people update their 5dMK3 to an A7RII instead buying 2+ bodies from Canon sends a message. (DSLR market is slowing, and a leader in a slowing market has no place to go, so the “missing some features in each body” strategy is how they get users to keep their revenue up in a slowing market. )

  • Esstee

    Wouldn’t it have been more realistic to compare the A7rII to the 5DSr instead?
    That said, I wouldn’t call these numbers staggering. A few points difference isn’t likely going to translate to anything significant in terms of real world performance.

    • Nobody Knows

      For a typical low ISO high resolution user the 2.4 stops poorer DR on the 5d compared to the D810 is very significant . The shadow/sky noise on the Canon are also poorer which can very quickly become a real issue.
      This is the 5DR vs the D810 at base ISO with a huge shadow push { obviously maxxed out to show just how much better the D810 holds up}

      • Nope

        No, these are only two stupid pics posted by your sorry self. Get a job, trolling is not your thing.

        • BrianSmiths

          butthurt much Cannot fanboy? Don’t cry you can still sell all your rubbish camera bodies and at least use your glass on much better cameras like A7RII.

        • Tom

          If anyone wants to get an idea of who the troll is, just click on Nope and read all his comments. A huge proportion are insults against anyone who dares to criticise Canon and many of them are nasty and personally insulting, when the original posts related to cameras. Nope, why don’t you just allow people to have their opinions without unleashing unplesantness? I assume your world won’t come crashing down? Go on, show us you can do it and we will be impressed.

          • Nope

            But you “tom”, “brian” and the other shills have no opinions: you merely bleat on whatever someone else says. Sheep do not command respect, and may not feel offended.
            Or are you saying that your observations on this terrible dr problem come out of your own in-depth studies, after years of experience as a successful photographer and engineer?

        • Yawn

          LOL these are “pros” what did you thnk? Pro trolls, and not of the brightest sort.

      • Yawn

        The usual rubbish. If you need that sort of push, you need a new hobby too…

  • Alex K

    Canon make big ugly looking cameras. Sony make small ugly looking cameras. Based on price and dynamic range I’d go for Sony. Based on skin-tone rendering and lens compatibility (without the faf of an adapter) I’d go for Canon. Both have the capacity for awesome pictures. Pick one and enjoy!

    • Moulyneau

      Best post!
      Clap at the end.

  • Jun

    Sony sensor might be the best on the market. But that is not the only reason people buy cameras. They sure make good sensors and make camera bodies every year. God knows what in 2020, what is the number on A7 series. But Canon has also its own strength. And they are investing and developing the next generation sensors. I love that way canon bodies’ ergonomics and AF speed and battery life all well harmonised. And probably Nikon is same. These DSLRs are so rugged compare to recent mirrorless. Sure it’s heavier. Still there are so many pros out there using 5D II or even 1Ds and still making tremendous arts. I admire them so much.

    • Tom

      This is very true, Jun and I too appreciate some of the things Canon has done so well recently, namely vastly improving the AF on many models and especially on their top of the line bodies. Also, they have set new standards for wide angle zoom lenses, which is after years of being very much ‘second tier’ in this regard. I now hope they will be able to catch up with their sensors and mirrorless products.

  • SteB1

    Objectively speaking. Canon DSLRs are excellent photographic tools, which in the right hands are more than capable of producing excellent images. This is because a photographic tool is about much more than dynamic range and sensor tech. The rest of the Canon package is excellent i.e. general camera technology, AF, lenses. A good photographer works within the limitation of their tools. Other systems, all have their own deficits, and of course advantages.

    Yet it’s also clear that with aspects such as dynamic range, shadow pushing ability, and the flexibility this gives you in post-processing, that Sony sensors have gained a significant lead. This means in tricky lighting or when you need to make tonal adjustments in post-processing, that Sony sensors are clearly advantageous. There is of course more to photography than this, and especially in less demanding less contrasty lighting, for all intents and purposes, Canon sensors will perform as well as the Sony sensors.

    I personally think that unless Canon have got better sensors in development, that Canon should consider using Sony sensors in their DSLRs until they can catch up sensor wise. This would just be so they could make their cameras more rounded photographic tools.

    • Guest

      Boring. Here is something for you kid: canon shadows look better, the blacks are more natural. The raws are obviously less cooked, or cooked better.

      • SteB1

        Self-evidently you have not yet learned how to set a black point.

  • alpha1984

    Wow the admin seems a tad bitter that canon has produced yet another expensive flop, but hey at least it’s a purdy camera to look at. Since when does the asthetics of a camera matter to what end results are produced. That’s insecurity at its finest. I use A mount gear but the fact is that most any current camera regardless of brand can produce excellent results in the hands of a skilled artist. These cameras are great for the entire camera industry as it fuels competition amongst all brands. Why do we all get so hung up on our gears brands. It seems we have more armchair pros then people actually out shooting. Just shut up and shoot, enjoy whatever gear you have and stop with the constant complaining. Use what works for you and create or sell your stuff and stop whining and worrying about what cameras look pretty and what camera has 5 extra points on a graph. There are tools for any type of work you see fit. I swear people are to wrapped up in there own self pity when they should be out enjoying life. Canon makes great cameras as does nikon and Sony as well as fuji Olympus and pentax. Choose your weapon accordingly and dry those tears. If I had the budget of some of these babies I’d gladly take a 5dsr and use it to make beautiful photos I certainly wouldn’t be crying over a few points. Send me your money if you wish to think you’re not capable of using these cameras and I’ll show you they’re great.

    • Guest

      LOL I agree on the Canon and Nikon part, but I would not put my money on any of those other brands, they are not really all that great.

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