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This is the Canon EOS 77D (image and specs) [CW5]

EOS 77D

The Canon EOS 77D, replacement for the Rebel T7s, leaked at Nokishita Camera.

  • 24.2 million pixels
  • DIGIC 7
  • Dual pixel CMOS AF
  • AF point: 45 points
  • Burst: Up to 6 frames per second
  • ISO speed: 100 – 25600
  • Articulated 3″ touchscreen
  • Built-in Wi-Fi/Bluetooth
  • Size: 131.0 × 99.9 × 76.2 mm
  • Weight: 540 g

As we anticipated , the EOS 77D has Dual Pixel AF and a 24MP sensor. I expect the announcement for the EOS 77D, and for other gear, to happen next week. Stay tuned!

  • pbl

    Derived from 80D with DPAF with 45 AF points and a little size/weight loss on top of it, nice! Not on my priority list right now, but if it has some AF points at f/8, I’ll have a good look at it as back-up body.

    • MdB

      I wonder if it will be crippled with no micro AF adjust like the previous models that inherited the 70D / 7D AF system in the hand-me-down stakes?

      • pbl

        This is entry model, no micro-adjustment for sure. Firstly AFMA is less critical than with FF, secondly most APS-C lenses are not exactly fast lenses, thirdly I guess people buying into these models would not even bother to use that function.

        • MdB

          Incorrect on every count there champ.

          • pbl

            Wow! Either you know everything and I’d be happy to get your blog address so I can learn something, or you simply don’t know much and spend your days trying to AFMA your f/3.5-5.6 kit lens, don’t you.

          • MdB

            Let me clear it up for you:

            “This is entry model” – NO this is a mid tier ‘entry enthusiasts’ model. It has extra features such as a more advanced and capable AF system, as well as dual control dials and top mount LCD screen. Sure it’s a budget model, but it is aimed squarely at enthusiasts. Complete ‘entry’ models are the sister 800D and 1300D another tier below. This is a poor mans (or lighter) 80D. Additionally competitive products DO have MAFA, but being a Canon apologist I’m sure you still think this is ‘the best’ solution. Additionally having MAFA is purely a software firmware thing they could EASILY provide. They use it specifically as an upselling tool, just look at the 60D for example.

            “AFMA is less critical than with FF” – Incorrect. Using the same lens, say the 50mm STM (are you going to argue nobody would use such a lens on this camera? Give me a break) will have less depth of field due to the smaller circle of confusion. Basically you are going to magnify the issue much more (for the same reproduction size) on this body than you will on a FF, so that too is completely incorrect.

            “most APS-C lenses are not exactly fast lense”

            The whole Canon DSLR platform is sold, by people Luke you as being ‘the best’ due to their breadth and selection of lenses, 95% of which are full frame lenses. Why are you bothering to bring up the paltry APS-C lens selection? The same EF lenses that you use on FF are the same speed and as described above actually have less tolerance for focus issues.

            “People buying this camera won’t bother to use this function” – Well that is mighty presumptuous of you. As I say these are likely to be low budget enthusiasts, these people are usually quite happy to tinker and spend time in forums trying to get the best out of their equipment and what if they have a serious issue? Too bad so sad? That’s great ‘support’ isn’t it?

            Lastly there are plenty of people who would like a really capable lightweight ‘travel’ body they can use with their EF system, but many of these people won’t accept bunky focus and not even bother.

            But please, do tell me why you think you’re correct again.

          • I agree with you about who this camera is aimed at. I think it will sell well. But will it hurt sales of the 80D and it’s successor when it is released? It’s pretty close in specs. Almost too close. As for lenses f2.8 are the fastest EF-S lenses I can think of off hand and only a few of them. EF is Canon’s main line and will work on all Canon EOS cameras. I guess that’s why they don’t invest as much in the EF-S line. I do believe Canon needs to invest more in the EF-M line. The small size is part of the M system’s appeal.

          • MdB

            Sure in spec it’s quite close, but the 80D will have a considerably beefier body with better construction, better viewfinder, faster fps, headphone jack etc.

          • I know. I have a 60D & 70D. Just speculation….. ;-)

          • Rick

            most people at the rebel level use EF-S lenses, which for the most part, wouldn’t need AFMA.

          • MdB

            BS. I have outlined above, anything else is making excuses for the brand.

          • Rick

            not really. there’s something in the world, which may be a concept for you – called product segmentation and the fact for the majority of users, AFMA which is supposed to be used to combat focus shift more than focus misalignment – isn’t an important feature for lower end / consumer bodies.

            hard concept to comprehend i guess.

            especially for a self proclaimed sony user over here to troll.

          • MdB

            Whose a ‘self proclaimed’ Sony user? I’m sorry that you as a fanboy get your panties in such a bunch, I mean it really is sad, the apologist mantra that goes on with fanboys. FWIW I don’t currently own a Sony camera… How do you like them apples?

            AFMA is to combat focus shift? Really? You sure about that? Where did you get that little nugget of misinformation from?

            I am well aware of product segmentation and Canon are masters of it, this is a complaint that this particular feature ‘should’ be included on this camera, but that it likely won’t be due to product segmentation. Is that hard to fathom? Oh of course you have to jump on it and ‘mansplain’ why this feature shouldn’t be included because Canon are so wise and nobody buying this camera would ever need it, sad, utterly sad.

            The fact you are so clearly clueless and so blindly guided by whatever Canon deigns to provide for you as to what’s important makes is just pathetic.

          • pbl

            Simply saying why Canon doesn’t implement AFMA on Rebel’s. No need your patronizing tone for that. Now, let me correct your points for you:

            Like it or not, these are “Entry Models” and lots of people buy them with kit lenses. The nearest competitive model that is Nikon doesn’t have AFMA either.

            You get all confused with the circle of confusion. Contrary to what you say, at the same equivalent focal length, same f/number, same distance, the depth of field of APS-C cameras is about twice as much as that of FF cameras. That gives you a head start, isn’t it?

            Yes, EF-S lenses are slower except for the 17-55mm f/2.8 but it’s not a long lens. Of course any Canon DSLR can use any of their lenses and that’s great. Still, I need to be convinced that a large part of Rebel owners is using lenses more expensive than their cameras. So, let’s say it’s tiny minority. Canon know their market (and Nikon too) and don’t feel the need to add features that, whatever you say, would be an unnecessary cost for many.

            Remember also that the AF accuracy of the Rebels, even if it is solid and has improved a lot over the years is still not on par with the big ones. You see, AFMA is a very tedious process. Takes lots of meticulousness to fine tune a lens to a camera for pinpoint accuracy. If the tolerance of your AF is greater than your micro-tuning, then what? A change in light condition, temperature, weather and it’s all gone. Let me tell you, there would be much more frustration to try AFMA a lens on a Rebel than on any bigger model. Canon themselves suggest to leave it like that and not to bother much with MA.

            Just visit some photography sites and check pictures from Rebel cameras. You’d be surprised to see so many sharp, vibrant pictures from Rebel owners who don’t give a rodent’s bottom about AFMA.

            Of course, you won’t be convinced. So, rather than doing the usual Canon bashing, why don’t you find yourself a nice, light camera from the competition that does-it-all for a fraction of the price and happily go around taking pictures?

          • Iki

            The first lens a Canon owner buys is usually the 50mm 1.8.

            And this camera is the third step (or fourth depending on which cameras you count) in the Canon line. It is by no means an entry camera.

          • pbl

            Well, Entry Camera doesn’t mean lower level photographer. I know people who can produce better pictures with their Rebels that some with their much bigger gear. Maybe this 77D is something in between but if it finally comes with pentamirror, 1/4000 s, 95% EVF and the list goes on, it still not exactly in the league of the like of 80D and above.

            Like most, I also have a 50mm f/1.8 STM and I like it a lot. But since that lens at 1.8 is not the sharpest on the block, I did not even bother to micro-adjust it and it works just fine.

          • MdB

            Ah yes, how do you get a Canon fanboy fired up? Suggest that a model they release ‘should’ have a feature it doesn’t! Canon fanboys 101. Suggest a 5D series have decent live view or touch screen or articulated screen they’ll retort “nobody needs that, there is a good reason the messiah left it out”… That is until the messiah decides to deign you worthy of such a feature “oh my, the touch screen and usable live view on the 5D IV are so amazing!” and “we don’t need an articulated screen blah, blah, blah”.

            “Like it or not, these are “Entry Models” and lots of people buy them with kit lenses.”

            They sure do. Do you also believe that 250mm f5.6 couldn’t possibly have focus adjustment issues?

            “The nearest competitive model that is Nikon doesn’t have AFMA either.”

            Nikon do not have a competitive model to this. Their models on either side the D5600 and D7200, the latter certainly DOES have AFMA, it is a closer camera to the 77D in terms of target market, with the 800D being the DIRECT competitor to the D5600. Other competing products (there are other brands you know) all have AFMA on their vaguely enthusiast models such as the Pentax K-S2 and Sony A68. So yes one brand with a camera a tier down from this camera doesn’t feature it, everything else does. Most ‘other’ manufacturers in a similar-ish segment don’t need it at all.

            “You get all confused with the circle of confusion. Contrary to what you say, at the same equivalent focal length, same f/number, same distance, the depth of field of APS-C cameras is about twice as much as that of FF cameras. That gives you a head start, isn’t it?”

            I’m not talking about ‘equivalent’ lenses, I am talking the SAME lens. The circle of confusion is smaller. So if you are shooting a 70-200mm f4 at 200mm from the same spot at the same focal length focus alignment is going to show up more on the crop sensor. Period.

            “Still, I need to be convinced that a large part of Rebel owners is using lenses more expensive than their cameras.”

            Here are some lenses a typical user of a twin dialled, top LCD camera with 49 all-cross AF points might use (that don’t cost as much as the camera – but we’ll come back to this):

            Canon 50mm f1.8 STM
            Canon 85mm f1.8 USM
            Canon 70-200mm f4 L
            Canon 70-300mm IS USM (I or II)
            Canon 55-250mm f4-5.6 STM
            Canon 100mm f2.8 USM Macro

            Plus there are plenty of pretty fast third party lenses that won’t break the bank

            “don’t feel the need to add features that, whatever you say, would be an unnecessary cost for many.”

            This feature literally costs nothing. It probably costs them more money to remove it being that it is purely software based, considering this is the same basic hardware (and software) as an 80D.

            “Remember also that the AF accuracy of the Rebels, even if it is solid and has improved a lot over the years is still not on par with the big ones.”

            Great so it has LESS accurate AF and has no mode of adjustment, you’re saying this camera is basically garbage? I find this quite difficult to believe, the 80D AF seems decent enough and AFAIK is a descendent of the AF system in the older 1D III. Pretty sure a 45 point all cross type AF system should be able to do pretty ok. But maybe Canon aren’t very good at AF?

            “Canon themselves suggest to leave it like that and not to bother much with MA.”

            And there it is, just drinking the Kool-aid. If Canon say you don’t need it, then you couldn’t possibly need it?

            “Just visit some photography sites and check pictures from Rebel cameras. You’d be surprised to see so many sharp, vibrant pictures from Rebel owners who don’t give a rodent’s bottom about AFMA.”

            Funny DPR had lots of issues with the 760D for it’s lack of AFMA, but I am guessing they don’t know anything right?

            “Of course, you won’t be convinced. So, rather than doing the usual Canon bashing, why don’t you find yourself a nice, light camera from the competition that does-it-all for a fraction of the price and happily go around taking pictures?”

            Oh yes, this response, always a good one. How very clever of you! Considering an A6000 costs what? Yeah maybe I’ll just do that. Thing is, I would quite like a nice small light crop body to use with my 5DS and a few more travel friendly lenses, but without AFMA I would never buy one. Ever. Not interested in the 7D II or 80D as lighter options… Because frankly they aren’t light enough to make it worthwhile.

          • I can see you know what you are talking about but I think that your comments, and mine too, are falling on deaf ears that just want to argue. Not with our time buddy.

          • MdB

            Yeah would seem so. Really interested to see what this camera is like, a decent compact and lightweight EF camera is quite appealing.

          • pbl

            Well, you got all heated up and loose your temper mate. And you twist facts to arrange them to your liking. And if this was not enough you just mix up everything beyond reason.

            If you really have a 5Ds, you should know actually! So, a Rebel has the same focus accuracy than your camera, uh? That’s a good one indeed! And you still get confused with the circle of confusion, that’s confirmed! The COC is dependent on the sensor size, not the lens. And focal length is all about angle of view. And yes, at same angle of view, the DOF is larger on aps-c. And lenses with aperture above 3.5 provide a much larger DOF than fast lenses and the list goes on.

            I sympathize you when I realize that Canon is purposely crippling their cameras so much as to impair your very creativity and I will thus leave the Kool-aid with you. Give this man an AFMA!

          • MdB

            *sigh*

            “If you really have a 5Ds, you should know actually! So, a Rebel has the same focus accuracy than your camera, uh?”

            Why shouldn’t it? Seems to me you’re just another one of these apologists who is also vehemently protective of their own gear as if it is some sort of status for you as a photographer. Sad. I don’t see any reason why a camera Canon (of all makers, seriously) should have inaccurate focus on their most popular range of interchangeable lens cameras? I mean should the Toyota Corolla break down more often than a Lexus because it’s a ‘budget’ option? Nonsense. Sure higher models should have more features, but the lower models should be able to do the basics right.

            “And you st

            ill get confused with the circle of confusion, that’s confirmed!”

            Now who is getting bent out of shape.

            “The COC is dependent on the sensor size, not the lens.”

            And this is fixed regardless of subject distance and aperture and focal length. Fixed. It is SMALLER on an APS-C camera than a 135 format camera because no matter what, the magnification of the captured image will be higher in reproduction (for the same reproduction size). So you will ALWAYS no matter what, magnify any flaws moreso with APS-C, not the other way around (again assuming reproduction size is also fixed). Get a clue mate.

            “And lenses with aperture above 3.5 provide a much larger DOF than fast lenses and the list goes on.”

            Sure does, you’re really wowing me here with your knowledge.

            “I sympathize you when I realize that Canon is purposely crippling their cameras so much as to impair your very creativity and I will thus leave the Kool-aid with you. Give this man an AFMA!”

            Ah yes, always go back to sarcasm if you’ve got nothing else.

            Let me ask you this, why do you WANT this to not have AFMA?

            Let me ask you think, as obviously you’re the resident ‘camera expert’ among your circle of family and friends, who would you recommend this camera to? Profile them… Obviously you would recommend a Canon and all that, so who would you recommend this one to?

  • James Larsen

    So the T7i has IBIS, but this one doesn’t? Interesting…

    • chris

      electronic IBIS… not the full fat version that you’d actually want.

      • James Larsen

        Oh, ok – what’s the main difference?

        • chris

          Electronic stabilisation takes a crop of the sensor and moves this crop around to counteract motion, the other moves the sensor itself (e.g. E-m1, a7ii, Pentax dslr etc).

        • MdB

          One is only useful for video, the other works well for both stills and video.

          Electronic is the cheapo version that’s all just done in software.

  • jet

    not that i care about entry level DSLR anymore.. but it´s just boring what canon releases here.

    • slclick

      This is hardly entry. Take a look at the Canon lineup

      • jet

        it is entry level. nobody with a clue would buy a xxxxD.

        that canon now uses xx numbers to confuse simple customers doesn´t change that.

        • I bought a 100D because it’s small, light and fast. It goes with me everywhere because I don’t want to lug my larger system with me all the time.

          You are just another troll with a private profile….

  • chris

    Whats the point of this camera if its just a 80D?

    • Rick

      because it’s not an 80D?

      viewfinder will be underspecced, the fps certainly is, etc,etc…

      • But it’s so close to an 80D from what we know so far that I think it will cut into 80D sales. What do you think?

        • Rick

          who cares? a sale is a sale.

          and it’s not that close..

          • Indeed a sale is a sale for Canon but I bet they will likely sell more 77Ds than 80Ds when it comes out. Which might make them even more money by moving more less expensive 77Ds.

            Spec wise they are that close. Will people be willing to pay more for 1 fps more, 1/8000 shutter, pentaprism and some other tweaks?

            Obviously some will but others might take the savings and invest in an extra lens or other accessories. Sales people might push them in that direction too. Make more sales! ;-)

          • Rick

            you’re way over thinking thinking this. canon as stated they are going to stuff as many options as possible into the market. they don’t care about whether 77d’s sell over 80d’s.

          • MdB

            And extra lens sales are a good thing. More sales based on one ‘platform’ is a good thing, this reuses so many parts there is no real development cost etc.

            People who want ‘better’ will want the 80D anyway, even if they are practically identical.

          • Agreed. :-)

          • Rick

            That’s why there’s the rebel series .. they sell alot of them. the rebel series always outsold the xxD series cameras.

            the viewfinder is quite different, the build quality is as well.

            also the price won’t be that different after all is said and done, this will probably be around 1K

          • I have a 60D, 70D, SL 1 and EOS M so I’m very familiar with Canon’s line up and their specs / build quality.

            This is really going nowhere so I’m done….

    • Stevie Jay Elmm

      What’s the point in Canon. They haven’t done anything worthwhile since the 5d Mk II and & 7D Mk 1. I’m a canon fan and that’s a fact.

      • slclick

        Oh boy, another of these kinds of posts. Apply for a position on the board maybe?

    • Joe Blow

      Cheaper.

    • pbl

      Size matters!

  • RagnarTheSomewhatMagnificent

    And still not 4K. Screw it for another generation.
    A meaningless “upgrade”. The deck chairs are being
    rearranged on the Titanic again. Maybe the T8i(s) will float!

    • Rick

      whaa?

  • olympialogger

    I’m waiting for RC for video mode. I’ll hang in with the T6i until then.

  • Stevie Jay Elmm

    Glad I went back to shooting film. Digital is cool if your a high end professional but this constant minor upgrade crap for 1000 dollars doesn’t do for me anymore.

  • MdB

    So surely the ageing 70D will finally be discontinued after this comes out?

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