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More Tidbits About a Totally New Canon Mirrorless Camera (CW3, introducing a rumor rating system)

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First, I want to let you know that I start to introduce a rumor rating system. I do this because a lot of users are asking it. I’ll define five different ratings, CW1 to CW5.

  • CW1 – probably fake rumor, not reliable
  • CW2 – rumor from an unknown/new source, but otherwise plausible rumor
  • CW3 – a 50% chance to be real, coming from a known source, or from new source with good insight in Canon’s business
  • CW4 – rumor from a known source that was right in the past
  • CW5 – as good as certain to be true

So, let us come to the latest rumor I got. I classify this rumor as CW3. It’s not much I have been told, but I think it has a good chance to be true.

I have been told (thank you very much) that Canon will release a mirrorless camera that will not be another EOS M. What the source told me, is that this will be a completely new design and concept. The source also stated that this new mirrorless camera could be announced soon. This could happen for CP+ in Japan next month, though I tip on a later announcement, possibly before Summer 2015. According to the source, he got the information from a Canon rep.

For the time being I can not say if this new mirrorless camera will be the full-frame mirrorless cam we got word some weeks ago. I think it will not be FF since I was also told that while Canon has such a camera on their radar, it is a long term project that will not be released in 2015.

So what can we expect? A mirrorless camera with the EOS 70D or 7D Mark II sensor seems plausible, and we got a tip pointing in this direction. I do not think Canon can afford to release another MILC without a sensor featuring Dual Pixel Auto-Focus. That would just be crazy, having such an advanced technology.

For the time being we know nothing about the specs, just that it will most probably have a 20MP sensor.

As usual with rumors, keep the salt ready. You are welcome to let me know your thoughts in the comment section. If you want to share rumors or tips you are welcome to do it here in a totally anonymous way.

Stay tuned.

 

  • Dave

    Owning a FF Canon and a mirrorless camera I am torn forth and back in judging which camera I would chose if I had to go with one only. Although I see the advantages of the EVF it slows down the process of taking pictures eg with manual focus lenses and goes along with a loss of control while composing. Then the OVF still is much more confortable to look through. The DSLR still has a much much better batterylife what just is a major advantage, the handling in general is better too. So I wish Canon would bring an even smaller 6D follower with decent small f2.0 primes. Then the mirrorless camera would be the one to get rid off.

    • canonwatch

      You couldn’t have it brought better to the point that matters. I don’t like EVF and I am still on the side of those you love an OVF.
      I have an EOS M, and I love it. The major issue for me is battery life. I have 3 batteries with me all the time. Each time I go on travel I am guessing which one to take with me, the 6D, the 70D, or just the M. It is never an easy decision.
      Usually I take the 70D with me because it is the best compromise, good IQ, light weight, adapts to almost all settings, extremely flexible. I think the 70D is the coolest DSLR Canon made since years. And I can focus accurately with the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8, which has focusing problems, but the 70D’s Dual Pixel AF overcomes this. If I shot with < f/2.8 I would be in the rain without Dual Pixel AF.
      I also never let the M at home. With the 22mm f/2 pancake it is so small and easy to carry that it would be a shame not having it in my bag. It's a underestimated camera imo. IQ is simply great, and the AF issues are not as bad as many reviewers say.

      • Keith Reeder

        ….and any other of todays mirroless is better.
        and most offer an EVF
        it is pure nonsense to say having an EVF is worse than having none.
        todays EVF are great.
        the A6000 or A5100 runs circles around your crappy eos m.
        in both IQ and AF speed and any other aspect.

        • Another Thought

          The A6000 and A5100 are indeed good mirrorless cameras, offering some formidable features.

          That being said, the EOS M is a good camera with great IQ. It has a touch screen which the A6000 lackes. It has better build quality than either Sony model; the Sony models feel like toys.

          But here’s the real deal: The EOS M has some great Canon lenses available for the system at reasonable prices. The Sony mirrorless line does have some great lenses too…but they are the Zeiss lenses and they are expensive. So you have to consider the whole ecosystem. Take a similar price point and I’ll say that the EOS M w/ its native lenses holds up very well against the Sony’s.

          • Caerolle

            Four lenses, I think only two of which you can buy in the US, and at least two of those are slow zooms, especially the long one. Only one prime, not that fast, and an equivalent focal length of no interest to me. Not that I much like the E-mount system, but you have a lot more lenses, and even the A5100 has better IQ than the 5-year-old sensor design in the M. The M is basically an expensive P&S with interchangeable lenses.

          • Another Thought

            The EOS M lenses are all of very high quality and performance.

            The E mount has more native lenses, but the good ones are the expensive Zeiss ones. And the M is not that expensive any longer in the US.

            The sensor in the M holds up well. Now the M can certainly be improved upon, and some of its tech is long in the tooth…but the point is that it’s not as bad as many make it seem. And there’s no doubt that if you hold the M and the A5100 you will feel that the M is a more substantial and better built camera.

  • SY Yeung

    HK has just released the M2 late last month. I don’t think they would have done that if the new mirrorless is coming so soon

    • Keith Reeder

      The M2 is an entry level piece of crap.
      There would be plenty of room for other pro mirroless cameras.
      Thought i think that mirroless are useless gimmicks per se.

      • DouglasGottlieb

        How can there be “room for pro mirrorless cameras” and mirrorless be “useless gimmicks” at the same time? Please elaborate. This seems pretty contradictory.

  • Keith Reeder

    Canon needs no stupid mirrorless Cameras.
    DSLR´s are much better in any regards.
    If you want a smaller camera you sure don´t need a DSLR.
    DSLR are for peopel who need afast Continous AF and superb Image quality.
    To drop teh benefits of fast AF for less weight onyl shows that you dont need a DSLR to behin with.
    A P&S would be enough for such users.

    • DouglasGottlieb

      Continuous autofocus tracking is the last area where DSLRs dominate, but even that is eroding fast. The Fuji XT1, Panasonic GH4 and Samsung are closing fast. And the Nikon 1 v3 blows just about everything away, even some of the best DSLRs.

      Canon is already very late. They may be too big and profitable to completely fail and vanish, but they’ll be irrelevant if they don’t figure out mirrorless soon.

      Image quality of very small cameras is now as good or better than many of Canon’s high end DSLRs. Sony’s full frame models are examples. Fuji’s APSC cameras are another. Even the latest round of pocketable 1″ sensor cameras have better IQ than “Pro” DSLRs of a few years ago. You’re using “point and shoot” as a pejorative, but pocket friendly mirrorless cameras will do everything a DSLR can do in just a few more generations.

      I’ve held on to some of my Canon glass in the hopes that they release something very small and high performance to use it on, but I’m very happily shooting on a tiny, Olympus EM1 kit and not regretting skipping the 5DM3 I was saving for.

  • DouglasGottlieb

    A small mirrorless, but not TOO SMALL — something a little smaller than SL1 sized would be the perfect blend of ergonomics and controls. Give it serious camera performance: fast autofocus, great manual controls, tilting touch screen, a killer EVF, best ever burst rate and ruggedization, and I’m (back) in.

  • Kevin Levrone

    A completely new design and concept doesn’t sound good to me. Maybe they realized that they got the M mount wrong and release another mount also full-frame capable (but with APS-C first camera in line). I just hope that they keep the camera as small as possible, anything larger than EOS M and I’m out.

  • d

    Canon should introduce a well designed full frame mirrorless system camera. If they just recycle the same sensors year after year, they will continue to lose customers, like myself. The EOS M was almost as disappointing as the hassleblad mirrorless cameras, and the design, performance and image quality is not going to cut it.

    While I still have several Canon L lenses, which are great lenses, I am very close to selling them. In my opinion, Canon needs to become more competitive in 2015. They can do so for both mirrorless and DSLR.

  • Richard

    sounds like a “me too” rumor versus one of actual substance. however I could see canon making a SL1 sized mirrorless that still used the EF mount. otherwise there’s no real reason or business case for canon to divert resources to yet another mount.

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